P H O T O G R A P H Y ! ! ? a blokey thing??

[rjlhughes]

Greg,

I've hesitated for a while before asking this - but is there any reason your quote is about testicles and not ovaries?

[Greg B]

Greg,

I've hesitated for a while before asking this - but is there any reason your quote is about testicles and not ovaries?

I am glad you have hesitated no longer Bob.

I saw the statement elsewhere, and have reproduced it here. So I guess we would need to question the original author. The addition of the word "approximately" is my work, however, and followed on from a Melbourne meet where a few members pointed out that the original statement was not absolutely correct, and this was not consistent with my annoying tendency to be a pedant.

The addition of "approximately" resolved that issue, but the testicle/ovary question remains. I will amend my sig again to accomodate.

[sirhc55]

Peter Mc - Danny DeVito

[rjlhughes]

Greg,

Now that's beautifully put! Very inclusive!

(My comment wasn't so much about pedantry as about perceived blokie-ness of course!)

When Gareth Powell was starting the magazine that ended up being called Pol, he joked that the perfect name for a woman's periodical was Ova.

[petermmc]

Peter Mc - Danny DeVito

You've met me!

[Sheetshooter]

Petermmc,

I don't think it is so much a matter of identifying the females as sensing their presence.

[Greg B]

Sheetshooter

I think you have touched on an interesting point here. I am still not sure why you want to identify females............

Clearly, we won't be getting you to organise the strippers.

[petermmc]

Petermmc,

I don't think it is so much a matter of identifying the females as sensing their presence.

What is the presence that you want sensed? I think I know what you mean but I am not sure. Perhaps my question should be. "What is the difference in the presence of female rather than male?" Dp you have examples? Does it have to do the images or the, dare I say it, feeling or attitudes?

Maybe just men have more time to spend on forums...ah!!! did I say that? PS I do agree with you that we need more female support on this forum and that if we are intimidating or sexist we should remedy this. The problem is that we may not know that we are.

Peter Mc

[rjlhughes]

Peter,

excellently observed.

[petermmc]

Sheetshooter

I think you have touched on an interesting point here. I am still not sure why you want to identify females............

Clearly, we won't be getting you to organise the strippers.

Greg

I was trying to get the topic back on some kind of track away from testicles and ovaries. (not that I have anything for or against them in a political sense) At least you didn't specify the gender of the strippers.

Peter Mc

[Sheetshooter]

Petermmc,

I guess sense and sensibility go pretty much hand in hand here. As anybody who has noted what I choose to comment on and the nature of those comments, I am really ONLY concerned with images. Call me a fanatic, but that's how I am - the picture expresses far more to me about feelings and attiude and in far more concise and unaffected terms than the written word is capable of.

I neither believe that women are the same us us blokes, nor would I want them to be just as I don't expect you to be me or Bob, for that matter.

Now, I'll stick my head right up on the wall to be mistaken for a football and add that by far the most appealing pictures produced by men to my eye are those with sensitivity and concern where the man has obviously been in touch with his more feminie perspectives. (Please, no flame war on that: I know it is something of a sweeping statement but words fail me in expressing it more diligently within reasonable space.

Cheers,

[rjlhughes]

To which I would add that it's in portraiture that I most often get a sense of a picture of the photographer in the face of the subject.

[petermmc]

Sheetshooter

I like your response. So in essence the call for more female presence is more about 'feeling' and 'female perspective' than physical participation in the forum. Is there really a female perspective? I question this.

Mind you my only two posts have been 'War hammer dude' and a shot of the Port Kembla coke ovens. Neither could have been accused of having feeling or a female perspective.

Yeah I give up..you're right.

Regs

Peter Mc

[Sheetshooter]

Peter,

The subject matter is possibly of less concern than the treatment. Margaret Bourke-White is a case in point. She was a highly successful commercial photographer who documented much of heavy industry in the war effort of the USofA in the lead up to WWII.

I envy the socks of those with access to the likes of coke ovens, blast furnaces and the like. I have a mate who was retrenched from BHP in Newcastle and he got some access briefly for shots for posterity, but nowhere near enough.

I guess I digress a little to say by contast that when the Port at Grazia Magheri was being dismantled they commissioned 12 international art photographers to document their personal interpretations of the event. Oh that we had such opportunities here. You might also find Ferit Kuyas' Industrial Interiors interesting.

Cheers,

[Marvin]

Well, speaking from a female "perspective", I am more of a gadget person who has lens lust and many of my friends think I have penis envy with my long lens! I don't have any female friends who are "into" photography - most of them like taking happy snaps but not "making" photos. I go out and take pictures with several male friends. But, I also liked the fact that nobody knew I was a girl when I first joined (not sure why though - I guess that it was the first forum I have really participated in and there was a bit of anonymity involved). I don't have the artistic eye that some women have, but I really wish I did. And I know more about computers than most of the blokes I know. In fact, perhaps I should have been born a man.
Off for my change now.......