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			 by Geoff M on Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:32 pm
 Hi Guys Can anyone offer some advice on the use of one of my images without permission being sought or granted. The image in question (below) was taken by me in Oct 2009 and is posted on my Zenfolio site, not sure if I have posted in the public domain elsewhere, but I can check this out. I have today received an email for a newsletter I have subscribed to and low and behold there is my image in all its glory albeit with a small crop. Now I know it could be possible for someone to take a image from the same spot but doubtful it would have the same cloud formations! See here http://www.teammoto.com.au/teammoto-eve ... ontent_1_5 Is there anything I can do to seek compensation?  Thanks in advance. 
			
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			 by Alpha_7 on Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:05 pm
 No doubt its your picture unless some photographer was standing right next to you. I'm sure others will have more detailed suggestions, but I'd send a polite email to the editor or the contact us email address if you can find one. In the email I'd politely point out that your image is being used without consent, and that's a breach of copyright. Offer the the option of providing suitable remuneration for the use of the photo, or that it be removed / or a retraction sent out. 
 Something along those lines, but trying not to be too angry or confrontational..
 
			
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			 by surenj on Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:14 pm
 Sorry to hear about this! Fancy receiving a newsletter with your image!!     There is a few threads on the strobist site on this issue. I think DH usually sends a firm letter using lawyer, legal action etc. 
			
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			 by gstark on Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:19 pm
 Geoff, There's lots you can do, but it may become a question of how ugly you want to get, based upon their attitude to your claims. First of all, you need to grab a screenshot of the website, with the image in question. I'd probably save it as a PDF. You need to decide what remedy you wish to seek. If this would be a source of income for you, then you may be entitled to claim something, but at, ultimately, what cost?  Consider their position (which is not your concern, but it does have relevance    ) when you approach them about this. What are their options: pay you? Remove the image? ignore you? Think seriously about these potential options. Given that they seem to be associated with a commercial entity, I think it might be worth pointing out the error of their ways. You should state that you are the photographer who made that image, that it appears to have been taken and used without your approval or permission, that they have denied you of your proper remuneration for this image, and that your normal fee for a limited use license is $x. The email should be polite, and sent to whomever seems to be responsible for this site, and I would also send a copy to the principal of any and every related organisation. Include a copy of the PDF you've taken, as well as a link to somewhere where they may be able to view a copy of your original image.  Appropriately annotated with suitable copyright messages.   Ensure that you include your own contact details, including a phone number.  That's, of course, if you want to seek remuneration. Alternatively, you could just ask them to take down the offending image, or if they're unresponsive, an email to their hosting provider, claiming breach of copyright and asking them to take down the offending site.g.Gary Stark
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			 by stubbsy on Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:58 pm
 What Gary said, but I'd also check there isn't some odd Zenfolio clause that lets them use images from there for free.  I know there was a big fuss a year or two ago when this happened to people with images on Flickr whose work was used by (I think) Vodafone for billboard ads, but the Flickr service terms allowed it unless you explicitly stated otherwise.
 Just a thought
 
 Oh and I'd be bloody pissed off too Geoff!
 
			
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			 by aim54x on Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:43 pm
 I would definitely try to do something about it. Gary seems to have some good suggestions (esp the PDF idea) CameronNikon F/Nikon 1 | Hasselblad V/XPAN| Leica M/LTM |Sony α/FE/E/Maxxum/M42Wishlist Nikkor 24/85 f/1.4| Fuji Natura BlackScout-Images | Flickr | 365Project 
			
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			 by Geoff M on Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:53 pm
 Thank you all for your thoughts, I am currently compiling a carefully worded email based on your feedback and suggestions.
 I will let you know what response I get.
 
			
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			 by biggerry on Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:55 am
 Sorry to hear about this! Fancy receiving a newsletter with your image!!  
 I agree, what are the chances of this happening! As suren said have a poke around various aussie forums, there are quite a number of threads with this style issue discussed. In a nutshell though, Gary has pretty well summed it all up      
			
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			 by surenj on Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:46 pm
 Also in addition to all the other great suggestions, I would take the screenshot AND post it/ftp it online somewhere to prove that the date is relatively authentic etc etc... Good luck and please let us know the outcome. Fingers crossed.    
			
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			 by Geoff M on Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:58 pm
 gstark wrote:Consider their position (which is not your concern, but it does have relevance    ) when you approach them about this. What are their options: pay you? Remove the image? ignore you? Think seriously about these potential options.
 You are bang on the money Gary with the third of the options you have posed......they have ignored me     I have tried to contact them via the email address on the newsletter so alas, I will now try to find an alternative contact method. 
			
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			 by gstark on Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:10 pm
 Geoff,
 Ok, do you have a phone contact?
 
 Regardless, issue a takedown request to the hosting service.
 
 Find out the IP address that the site is hosted from (ping sitename). Then do a whois on the ip address, and send an email to the abuse address of the hosting service.
 
 In that email state that you are the owner of the IP in the image, and that the image has been pblished by the site without your approval and in breach of the copyright that you hold in the image. Also state that you have written to the site owners, but that they have failed to respond, and thus you have been left with no alternative but to request that the site be taken down until the matter is resolved to your satisfaction.
 
 You might want to also do a whois on the site's domain name, to see if that brings up anything further.
 
 Good luck.
 g.Gary Stark
 Nikon, Canon, Bronica .... stuff
 The people who want English to be the official language of the United States are uncomfortable with their leaders being fluent in it - US Pres. Bartlet
 
			
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			 by gstark on Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:27 pm
 Here's a bit more info.
 Domain Name:                     teammoto.com.au
 Last Modified:                   24-May-2010 00:10:38 UTC
 Registrar ID:                    Melbourne IT
 Registrar Name:                  Melbourne IT
 Status:                          ok
 
 Registrant:                      Team Moto Pty Limited
 Registrant ID:                   ACN 092300831
 Eligibility Type:                Company
 
 Registrant Contact ID:           Z126605023714237
 Registrant Contact Name:         Bob Donovan
 Registrant Contact Email:        Visit whois.ausregistry.com.au for Web based WhoIs
 
 Tech Contact ID:                 W124655079855995
 Tech Contact Name:               Domains Administrator
 Tech Contact Email:              Visit whois.ausregistry.com.au for Web based WhoIs
 
 Name Server:                     ns1.conetix.com.au
 Name Server IP:                  202.74.64.4
 Name Server:                     ns2.conetix.com.au
 Name Server IP:                  202.74.65.4
 
 
 
 Name  	TEAM MOTO PTY. LIMITED
 ACN
 092 300 831
 ABN
 90 092 300 831
 Type 	Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
 Registration Date 	03/04/2000
 Next Review Date 	30/06/2011
 Status 	Registered
 Locality of Registered Office 	Brisbane QLD 4000
 
 
 You should be able to get a phone number from this info, and also try to find out who Bob Donovan is.
 
 conetix.com.au hosts their DNS, see if they also host the site.
 g.Gary Stark
 Nikon, Canon, Bronica .... stuff
 The people who want English to be the official language of the United States are uncomfortable with their leaders being fluent in it - US Pres. Bartlet
 
			
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			 by Geoff M on Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:24 pm
 OMG      Thanks for the info Gary. I will see where this takes me. 
			
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